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that. for me, it's just as a fan, i sit here, getting close to 06, and guy, this is kind of weird how much i've focused on the beatles, the "rolling stone," dylan, elvis costello throughout all the years, how important it's been to me. i think like you i've been surrounded by it so much. >> yeah. >> and i'm, like, is this just a weird pastime like playing with toy soldiers in the basement that i'm still doing all these years later? and then i heard fran liebowitz talking, and she was being interviewed and she talked about -- she said i can figure out a lot of things, but i can't figure out -- she was telling martin scorsese -- about writing songs. that's the greatest gift. >> yeah. >> it takes you back to a moment. it takes you back to a time. and i sat there and i said you
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know what, she is right. it is this extraordinary gift that all these people that we love and follow, you know, it makes sen. i'm really proud of the fact that i wasted my life listening to the beatles and dissecting every melody and every bass line that paul mccartney ever did. >> he knows every one. every single one. >> big time. >> yeah. it's worth -- it's been worth every second. it really has. explain that. >> totally. and look at the power of joanie mitchell, who's at her peak now. these are songs that will be communicating to us for decades upon decades. >> cameron, on the topic of staying power, such a personal story for you, "almost famous," but it has resonated for so many people for so long at this point and now in the new form.
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what is that like to have your story mean so much to other people? >> thanks, jonathan. you know, it tells -- it says to me that there's power in telling a personal story, because "almost famous" was a little movie we got to make because "jerry maguire" had gone well. so i figured we had a credit line of one. let's tell this story about loving music and may family. over time, that's the one that seems to resonate the most. it makes me feel like if you tell something that's true and authentic and almost too embarrassing to share, that's the thing people will want to talk about and feel the power of. so the personal is kind of the universal. i'm just lucky i got a chance to make the movie of "almost famous," which rolled into the opportunity to take the story to the stage. and, you know, audiences of all ages are feeling the power of the music, and my family. so i get kind of emotional and thrilled every night at jeremy herron, our director's work, and
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the work of this amazing cast. >> cameron, we can't wait to see it. "almost famous" the musical is currently in previews on broadway. opening night, everybody, circle it. a lot of people that watch this show love broadway. opening night november 3rd. >> there you go. >> be there. >> we should be there. >> cameron, we can't wait to see it. >> all right. thank you. >> thanks, you guys. honor to be here. truly an honor to be here. thanks so much. >> honor to have you. >> it is two minutes past the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." that's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. we have got a lot to get to this hour including waves of explosive laden drones striking the capital of ukraine, sending the citizens of kyiv running for cover. it's the second concentrated drone attack on the city in as many weeks. the drones slammed into energy
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facilities as well as into at least one residential building. also ahead, two members of the house armed services committee warn that the time is running out for u.s. to prepare itself for possible war with china. we'll speak with congressman seth bolton and mike wahle sh fresh off their trip to taiwan. plus, a new covid warning ahead of the holiday season as health officials warn of a coming wave of infections this winter. we'll be joined by cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, who exclusively sat down with the ceo of pfizer, who had covid not once but twice in the last two months. >> wow. >> very interesting. >> i've got to say -- >> you can't get rid of it. >> i have to say i really thought -- i was one of these really dumb people, i didn't get it -- >> we didn't get it throughout the whole thing. >> traveled, found ourselves around people all the time.
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>> wore masks. >> we wore masks but sometimes you'd get into a place, oh, wait. didn't get it. then got this last one, and i will say you get it, boom, it wasn't horrible. but the fatigue sets in and stays in. just kind of -- you know, myself and a lot of other people said you've got to just lie in bed. >> really take it easy. >> relax. don't fight the fatigue. that's something that's hard to do. >> you had a relapse. we'll be talking about that. we begin, though, in georgia, with some politics where the polls are opening this morning for the start of early voting as turnout in the state could reach record levels for a midterm election with more than 4 million voters expected. let's go live to nbc news correspondent blayne alexander, live at an early voting location in the suburbs of atlanta. blayne. >> reporter: early voting is officially under way and people
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are taking advantage. several dozen people were lined up in cobb county before the sun came up, waiting in line. the doors opened at 6:50 a.m. there were about 25 or so people who were already waiting to cast their ballots. so we know that there are a number of very important races on the ballot this year. of course georgia's governor's race, that senate seat that could determine the balance of power in the senate. but also notably, this is the first major election in the state of georgia since georgia became the target of the most repeated election lies, people challenging the validity of georgia's elections, since poll workers were harassed to the point they had to go into hiding. election officials i've spoken to acknowledge they are entering an election right now in a very different environment than what they've seen before. to that point, i spoke to michael barlds. he spent more than two decades working with the secretary of state's office. he's the person who runs the center for all of the election systems in the state of georgia. he walked me through the process from beginning to end, from the
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moment people present their i.d. to the moment they cast their ballot and get that "i voted" sticker. he says they're doing it to fight the lies and to provide transparency. here's a little bit of our conversation. take a look. when you hear people call into question the validity of an election, what do you want them to know about this process? and what do you think when you hear that? >> being in the board of elections for as long as i have, it can be disheartening to see voters have a distrust in the system. what we try to do every day is try to show that there isn't anything to be afraid of. the system here is to collect their intent, and we want them to participate in the process. my hope is that voters will see that who they're interacting with in a polling place is not somebody they're not familiar with. it's their neighbor. they have one of the beautiful things about the american democracy is the fact that it's
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we, the people, that we get together and there are some that come in and volunteer and work in polling places, some people that make a career out of working in elections. but it's all to facilitate the ability of that individual to express what they want to have happen. >> reporter: guys, it was a fascinating conversation. another thing they're doing this year is really they're trying to up security in different polling locations because of those threats that we saw after 2020. mika? >> all right. also looking ahead to a debate tonight in the gubernatorial election. tell us about it. >> reporter: yeah. this is going to be the first time brian kemp and stacy abrams have met face-to-face in this election cycle. this is a rematch of 2018 but it will be a crucial debate, the first of two. the place where i'm standing is actually a very important place, someplace that democrats and republicans told me they're really eyeing, talking about suburban voters, a place they
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think they can pick up some votes and try and win this contest. the latest polling from quinnipiac shows a very tight race, abrams trailing kemp by about a point. but polls have consistently showed brian kemp in the lead, showed him ahead. the latest poll also shows one of the top issues is inflation, and that's something that's been, according to the voters in metro georgia, rural, urban voters, a lot point to inflation, the price of items at the grocery store, the price of gas, small business owners, what that means for them as well. but the second important issue is abortion, both sides saying they'll cast their ballot for kemp or abrams depending on which side of the abortion debate they fall. about 14% of voters say that's the top issue. >> blayne alexander, thank you very much. you have your hands full there. we'll talk to you again tomorrow. pennsylvania's largest newspaper just endorsed the state's democratic senate
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candidate john fetterman. and in the endorsement, it dismissed the renewed concerns over the recovery from his recent stroke. the editorial board of the "philadelphia inquirer" writes in part, "fetterman does often take a few seconds to ensure that he has understood a question correctly, and he may take a couple of moments more to collect his thoughts and find the right words. but that should not significantly impair him from performing in his role as a senator. fetterman know what is his values are and is capable of communicating them. the same cannot be said for his opponent, mehmet oz, a man wholly unprepared to be pennsylvania's u.s. senator. if there are any values that oz holds dear, it is difficult to ascertain what they are." on social media, fetterman continues to speak about his condition and use it as a chance to remind voters of his
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opponent's own campaign blunders. >> so dr. oz liked to make fun of me missing a word or mushing two words together. let me give you an example of what it's like to have a stroke. sometimes, for example, imagine you are going to be thinking you were shopping at wegmans but you're actually in a different store. but you told everybody you're in wegner's. that's how it works. >> sometimes you just -- >> hysterical. making fun of oz for getting all those mixed up. clearly not being connected with the people of his state, maybe because, i don't know -- >> he's not from there. >> -- he's from turkey or something? >> he's from jersey. and he voted -- his mansion is in jersey. >> mansion in jersey. >> it's all very confusing. >> maybe jonathan lemire can explain it to us. >> jonathan, i must say nbc
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reporting, the doctor got skewered for actually doing a job and reporting and just being a cheerleader for every single democratic candidate out there. but since that interview, fetterman has done, i think, a pretty great job and actually running to the issue. and what you just saw there, that actually wins you votes, going to the issue, not running away from it. and fetterman has been great on social media. but, you know, he's sort of been on his back heels, interestingly enough, that interview last week maybe got him and his team leaning into this issue, and that can be only good news for him. you saw last week, it was kind of hilarious, he went to penn
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life editorial meeting and oz wasn't there. he was like hey, dude, i had a stroke. what's your excuse? which voters are just going crazy over. it is how you turn a disadvantage into an advantage. he seems to be doing a good job of that right now. >> democrats the last 72 hours or so say they feel better about that race right now than they have the last few weeks. fetterman's campaign had gotten some criticism about not being transparent about his condition. to be fair, we haven't heard an update from his doctor in quite some time. but fetterman himself is leaning into this. he did an interview with nbc, the penn life thing, other events. he's confronting this head on. a lot of voters have people in their lives perhaps themselves who have health challenges, who know it takes time to recover. fetterman is not hiding. he's being candid and doing so effectively. his campaign from day one has been extraordinary good at trolling dr. oz. that's only continued here.
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and the combination of that and fetterman's plain spoken way has resonated with voters all along. that's part of his appeal. that and georgia probably the two most important senate races on the map. and polls show that fetterman has the lead. the debate next week will matter, no question. but if he can weather this and turn this around and have a little momentum for the final three weeks, democrats people good about it. >> you know, with wisconsin breaking back towards ron johnson and the republicans, nevada being up in the air, a real question mark, georgia still being a question mark, it is critical for democrats if they want to hold the senate. they need to win pennsylvania, hope for the best in an increasingly red ohio. maybe they pick up something in north carolina. but, again, right now pennsylvania is that fire wall. they have to pick up a seat from
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republicans in pennsylvania if they want to have any chances of holding on to the senate. this is going to be interesting. oz andfetterman will meet on stage for their one and only debate one week from tomorrow. we'll be watching that. turning now to the investigation into the january 6th attack on the capitol, nbc news has obtained more video of congressional leaders on that day. the january 6th committee played a portion of the never-before-seen footage at last week's hearing. in this clip, you can hear house speaker nancy pelosi on the phone with then vice president pence. >> well, it's still not safe enough for us to go back, but they're still trying to penetrate the building, and it's not a safe thing. we're trying to figure out how we can get this do job done today. i worry about you being in the capitol. >> i'm at the capitol building,
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literally standing with the chief of the u.s. capitol police. he just informed me what you will hear through official channels, paul irving, your sergeant at arms, will inform you that their best information is that they fully believe that the house and the senate will be able to reconvene in roughly an hour. they also confirmed to me they have thousands of law enforcement, they're confident that they can secure the campus. >> wow. >> wow. >> meanwhile, two members of the house select committee were asked on the sunday shows what will happen if former president trump refuses to comply with the panel's upcoming subpoena. >> i won't engage in any hypotheticals at this moment as the subpoena hasn't even yet been served. but what i will say is previous subpoena, what you've seen the committee do is be very deliberate and take the response to our subpoenas on a case-by-case basis. i imagine that we will also do
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that because we understand the seriousness of the charge of our committee. >> that's a bridge we cross if we have to get there. you know, look, we well recognize the fact that because of the committee only being able to exist till the end of this congressional year, because that was the mandate, we're in a bit of a time limit here. as we're wrapping up the investigation, we're also pursuing new leads and facts and we want to speak to the president. look, he's made it clear he has nothing to hide is what he says. so he should come in on the day we ask him to come in. if he pushes off beyond that, we'll figure out what to do next. >> so, jonathan lemire, a couple things. first of all, respond to the new video that keeps coming out from january 6th, just absolutely fascinating moment where nancy pelosi pleading to mike pence to be safe and not let anybody know exactly where he is. secondly, the subpoena from congress to donald trump.
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is that something that he can just sort of push away and let the time run out? >> first of all, on pelosi, every clip we see here shows how in control and command she was that day. truly remarkable performance from the speaker. and also a genuine and human one. let's recall as we heard her check on mike pence, witching him safety. you know who didn't do that that day? donald trump. the president of the united states never reached out to the vice president, knowing he was in danger. you know, pence's staff reached out to mark meadows. they expressioned frustration that trump had not done so. they felt trump was endangering the vice president because he wasn't doing anything to call off his supporters, who were ransacking the capitol. also to pelosi's point about not letting anyone know where he was precisely. short did the same in that call with meadows. didn't want to say exactly where the vice president was because they weren't sure who to trust, and that recalls members of the secret service. pence didn't want to get in that car to leave the capitol because he didn't know where it would go and he didn't want to be seen as
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fleeing because he knew he still had the american people's duty to take care of that day in terms of certifying the vote. as far as trump goes, his strategy seems to be running out the clock. we saw a report last week saying he may want to testify and set the record straight. nobody believes that. he won't answer questions under oath. there's no upside for him there. it doesn't seem like there's much in the way of teeth to the subpoena to try to bring trump forward. this is something that's going to play out in the coming weeks. we know the clock is ticking. kinzinger and cheney leaving congress at the end of the year, and there is least a decent chance that republicans will control the body come january and they'll certainly shut it down. >> yeah. and, mika, again, the contrast as jonathan pointed out, it's really sad. here you have nancy pelosi, who nancy and mike agree probably on very few things, but what they do both agree on, at least on that day, about supporting
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american democracy. >> yep. absolutely. >> and mike pence did before that, fighting. there you have nancy pelosi pleading with the vice president of the united states, the republican vice president of the united states, to be careful and not reveal his location. she was genuinely worried about him. saw that on the video. then you have donald trump, who knows mike pence is in danger and people are shouting "hang mike pence," he knows that mike pence is on the move out of the chamber. >> yeah. >> he chooses that time to tweet an attack on mike pence that he knew would only rile up the crowd more. again, think about that fact, nancy pelosi, this woman you love to vilify, she's actually worried about mike pence's health and his well-being while donald trump, the former president that so many of you unfortunately continue to
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worship in this strange cult-like way, actually tried to bring harm to mike pence that day, channels of "hang mike pence," the president learns mike pence is on the move, he then tweets something to rile up the crowd, make it more likely that mike pence and his family will be caught and captured by the angry mob, possibly killed, because that's exactly what they said they wanted to do. and that's donald trump. and don't tease yourself that mike pence's life wasn't in danger because in danger. some of you say they don't think it was ever in danger, it makes me sad for you because you're lying to yourself, and that must really be difficult for you to lie to yourself because you want to defend the honor of a failed reality tv show host who had lost the white house for republicans who recollect lost the senate for republican, who lost the house for republicans, who's going to lose if he runs
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again. it's really staggering, the loyalty to a man that has shown no loyalty to anybody, including his vice president, whose life was in danger and whose own secret service people were saying that day, they're calling home to their families saying good-bye to them because they didn't think they were going to survive. >> i don't know what the prospects are for this happening, but it would be great to hear from former president trump under oath on these issues. for more on that, let's bring in former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry lipman. in terms of the subpoena of the former president, is the clock going to run out on the committee in terms of the timing for that? what is the possibility that he would come forward and even say anything? >> yes and nil, basically. jonathan is exactly right. look, the normal playbook here would be he would turn it down and then they would have to vote
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contempt and the entire house would have to vote contempt and they would go to court. there's no possible -- you know, it doesn't fit with the time line. we already know from trump from that remarkable sort of 14-page scree that he responded to the subpoena with, that he'll use every excuse or put any kind of impossible conditions even as he professes to say oh, i would love to testify. you will never see his right hand raised in front of the committee and it would be a disaster for him. if it were a year ago, maybe the committee would play out this high-stakes court battle, but i don't see their having time or stomach for it, and i don't think trump engaging there either. i think most likely it's a kind of exclamation point on their report. they say at the end we subpoenaed him. he refused. and say, you know -- make of that what you will, the american people.
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that's the end of things i think. >> and harry, in your latest come up for "the los angeles times," you say the justice department needs to go after trump allies who have refused to cooperate in the january 6th investigation in the same way it did during watergate. you write in part, "nixon escaped incarceration for his watergate actions when he was pardoned by president ford in 1974. however, by wikipedia's count, 22 other watergate actors were convicted for the burglary of the democratic national committee or for its ensuing cover-up for which liability was shared with an unindicted co-conspirator, nixon himself. by my count, more than a dozen people in trump's circle deserve serious scrutiny. not all of these actors will turn out to have committed crime, but most of them surely have important as not yet fully revealed information about
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trump's post-election conduct. i can see no reason why they should not promptly be called before the january 6th grand jury convened by the department of justice, and, if appropriate, quickly charged. proper action now could have the klatt collateral benefit of leveraging cooks of higher-up actors, including trump himself." trump doesn't care about anybody. let them go. >> we talked about this last week, the wheels of justice grinding slowly and grinding fine. you look at all the people being arrested for being part of that mob, for being part of the riot where they tried to actually stop the counting of the electoral votes, and you look every day, the fbi, they're arresting more people, more people are being charged, prosecuted, going to jail. you look at the fact that the
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supreme court did not cut donald trump any slack last week, just as they didn't in 65 cases. and i suspect, i'm curious, he may never have to raise his right hand in front of bennie thompson's committee, but he's going to have to raise his front -- his hand, is he not, at some point, because it looks like the doj is slowly, meticulously building an air-tight case against the former president. so, i agree, raise his right hand or more likely take the fifth or keep his seat at the defendant's table, but that's likely to be, it seems to me, at mar-a-lago. there's many reasons to think it's both a more straightforward case and a case they would bring more quickly. and that's one of the many reasons, including a lot of legal complications, that i think we're more likely to see prosecution then than on january 6th.
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we've developed this mind-set of thinking justice will come or escape the country based on whether he is convicted for the january 6th crimes. and that's why the watergate analogy is strong here and what the op-ed is about. remember watergate itself, nixon doesn't go to jail. he's pardoned. and yet society's condemnation historically is clear. and a lot of that has to do with all the president's men, as they said at the time -- john mitchell and halderman and ehrlichman, and there was a whole raft of convictions then, and that i think really encapsulated the american society's rejection what had occurred there, and that's what i think we need in parallel in this episode. it's not enough to simply look forward to legislative revisions. the doj really should zero in on the mark meadows and the stones
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and the flynns and the giulianis of the trump circle. and i think that they will. >> so, harry, really quickly, i understand what you're saying about the mar-a-lago documents case being easier to prosecute him on. and we certainly -- we've heard that from a lot of former prosecutors, former judges, heard that from law professors. so totally get that, totally defer to you there. there are a lot of us, though, in america that saw what happened on january 6th. we see all the people that said the only reason they stormed the capitol is because of donald trump. we read the definition of conspiracy to commit sedition. and it seems to fit exactly what donald trump did starting in december through january 6th. do you think that that's too difficult of a case for the justice department to make? >> well, so first, imagine in the mind-set of his already having been convicted and punished in some way for
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mar-a-lago, is it too difficult? it's harder. there are political defenses on his part. he's got a very checkered history, seditious conspiracy, and, you know, it really would be stepping on a hornet's nest because it would be unprecedented in a way that this mar-a-lago prosecution would be straightforward. so i think if mar-a-lago happened, it changes the dynamic of whether they must go forward. and there are ways to see an overall condemnation as happened in watergate, even if he faces justice on mar-a-lago but doesn't actually be put in the dock on january 6th, though i agree with you, he richly deserves it. >> form toer u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry littman, thank you very much, for joining us this morning. >> thank you. coming up, the tough rhetoric yesterday from china's president about taiwan. two members of congress just
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i think it's going to be tough. already we see the wave coming up in europe. usually there are four, five weeks after europe that we see the wave in the u.s., and then
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follows the rest of the world. and thank god we do have vaccine, but it is very effective against this virus but not many people have done it so far. so if we want pick up between now and the next five weeks in vaccinations rates in the u.s. so that people will be immune, i think it would be winner. >> the ceo of pfizer warning it will be a difficult winter with the flu and covid. that conversation from the first episode of "special edition with andrew ross sorkin," airing this week on nbc news now and the co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box" joins us now. andrew, what more did you hear from him? >> it's a fascinating story because when the ceo of pfizer, the largest vaccine maker in the world, gets covid not once but twice in under two months, lots of people raising lots of questions about mandates, about
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free speech, about the efficacy of these things. in both cases he took paxlovid. you have a lot of skeptics out there. he broke down what happened with him, which is he actually got omicron back in august. he had been vaccinated. he did get omicron. those are breakthrough cases. we've seen it over and over again. he took paxlovid, which he said worked, and yet then he went to europe. this is the important part. he went to the uk and he got it again. but he believes he got the new variant and had not been boosted with this new booster, which is now on the market, because you can't take it within weeks of having just gotten covid. so here he is as an example of such. we're now in a situation where only about 13 million to 15 million americans have taken this new booster, and we are walking into halloween to thanksgiving and to christmas. and i think there's a really or
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with that there is so much skepticism among the public or at least maybe just people frankly being tired of it and then looking at examples like this and saying, well, it doesn't help me from getting it at all, maybe i shouldn't get it. but the truth is that it does look like this new booster may not help you, may not prevent you from getting it, but should help from severe disease and of course death, which is the important part. >> well, andrew -- >> wow. >> andrew, and this is the thing, of course there's a ton of disinformation out there. >> yes. >> so i can't believe all the disinformation, close friends i've had my entire life, will actually regurgitate. oh, dear, sweet jesus, help me out, keep me patient here, because they get the disinformation. i must say there's another side of that, too, and the government has been absolutely miserable just stating basic things we've learned. because we've learned a lot of things. in the beginning you thought
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maybe you get covid, maybe the bird flu, you're immune for 17 years. not the case. maybe three months monopoly . maybe three months. can't get covid. that's not the case at all. i've been fighting fatigue for a couple weeks off and on. well, the thing is we went to the queen's funeral on the day that i was supposed to get the booster. and i know from my experience if i'd gotten the booster i could have still gotten covid but i would have sneezed twice and gone, what was that? instead of having this fatigue. the idea is these things built up your resistance so when you do get it you just sort of swat it away. that's what americans don't understand. that's why it's so important, i can't believe i'm having to say this again, it's so important that they get the vaccine or they get the booster, even if they're most selfish people on
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the face of the earth, not for other people, for yourself. >> do it for -- joe, 100%. >> so you can keep working, so you can keep living, so you can take your kids to school, so you can keep coaching them football. like, if you're selfish, do it just for your selfish self. good lord, i'm so tired of these people. >> you are 100% correct. do it for yourself. there is no question. and i think when you do look at fact that there are so few who have already gotten this booster, as i said, 13 million to 15 million as of last week, and you think about it, there was a period of time when people in united states were taking the vaccine, we were putting 4 million shots in arms a day. so we had so much work to do. you know my mother. my father is turning 08 years old this week. if you're over 50 years old, this is very, very important. this is a completable beatable problem if people are vaccinated and get paxlovid when they need it, there should be no deaths in
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america. it's completely doable. >> well said, boeft of you. andrew, just real quick with kanye west buying parlor. >> yes. >> go. >> goodness gracious. now elon musk is going to own twitter, trump will own truth social, and kanye will own parlor. by the way, peter thiel and jd vance will own something called rumble. the new social media moguldom is clearly owning one of these things. parlor had sort of fallen off a bit in part because it had been taken as a competitor to truth social and to twitter and everything else. what ye, as he's now calling himself, will do with all of this i do not know. given all his semitic screes and other comments he's made, he was just out talking about how he thinks that george floyd was killed by fentanyl or something crazy. i don't know who's going to be on this platform, if advertisers
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will want to back this platform. we will see. >> wow. >> you know, it's a free country if they want to lose their money on investments. it's up to them. they will lose their money. >> andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> tune in to the first episode of "special edition." >> i'm excited about this. >> this weekend 10:30 p.m. on nbc news now. >> kind of makes my fall. you used to look forward to the fall premieres. this is my fall premiere. i've been waiting for it for a decade. >> just in case, joe, you can also get it, it will be available on demand on peacock, youtube, and nbcnews.com. authorities in california have arrested an alleged serial killer accused of shooting multiple people in the stockton area. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has the details. >> reporter: this morning police and community members credited for stopping an alleged killer just in time.
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stockton, california, has been a city on edge, a suspected serial killer stalking the streets. but over the weekend, police may have cracked their case. >> our surveillance team followed this person while he was driving. we watched his patterns. he was on a mission to kill. he was out hunting. >> reporter: arresting a suspect, wesley brownlee, who they say might have been just minutes away from another deadly shooting. >> we are sure we stopped another killing. >> reporter: authorities say they were flooded with tips from the community. >> we had several hundred tips that came in every single day which led to this opportunity that we had to arrest the suspect. >> reporter: officials say the killer shot seven people, killing six, many of the victims latino men across stockon and nearby oakland who were living on the streets and attacked late at night. >> i was afraid for my children, for everybody.
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>> reporter: earlier this month, police releasing this grainy surveillance video believed to show the suspect and offering a $125,000 reward. the 43-year-old brownly a resident of stockton, has a criminal history including drug and traffic violations. authorities say there's still no clear motive for killing spree. the only known survivor, natasha, detailed the chilling moments before she was shot at least nine times to a local news site. >> no words exchanged. didn't say anything. didn't come closer. just started shooting. >> reporter: greta said her son was killed and died alone. >> i'm grateful they were able to save it from happening to another person. it's been horrific. >> reporter: the police thanking the people of stockton for helping them track down a suspected killer. >> the arrest happened in two parts. one was community tips, and the
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second was good old-fashioned police work. >> nbc's miguel almaguer with that report. coming up, the remarkable story of bringing "sesame street" to russia after the fall of the soviet union. the woman who was tasked to do that joins us next. what that moment in history tells us about how the world should deal with russia now amid its invasion of ukraine. my name is wendy, i'm 51 years old, and i'm a hospital administrator. when i talk to patients you can just see from here up when you're wearing a mask. and i have noticed those lines beginning to really become not so much moderate but more severe. i'm still wendy and i got botox® cosmetic.
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xi jinping is set to secure a historic third term in power. yesterday a week-long meeting opened in beijing where xi spoke for nearly two hours, at one point warning that when it comes to taiwan china will, quote, never promise to renounce the use of force. he added, complete reunification of china, quote, must be realized. our next guests are members of the house armed service xhees who returned from a visit to gaum, the philippines, and taiwan.
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they warn that time is running out for united states to prepare itself and its allies to prepare for a possible war with china. michael waltz of florida and seth mullton join us now. thank you very much. i think a lot of americans right now are thinking about our engagement and to help second handedly in the war in ukraine, and the two of you would like to bring to the forefront the concept of escalation with china. is the u.s. prepared for escalation? seth, i'll start with you. >> frankly, we're not. we're working very hard to get prepared, and we saw amazing examples of that from the troops that mehmet on the ground in the pacific, but as a major leagues we're not ready. xi jinping has made it very clear that he wants to get out of this war. what americans need to understand is we don't have a plan to fight this war through taiwan, like fighting the
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ukraine through the ukrainian. if they go to war and we're there to stop them, a lot of americans are going to die. that's why we have to prevent this war from ever happening. >> congressman waltz, what signs did the two of you see and hear about in your travels that lead you to believe that escalation is sooner than u.s. is either prepared for or thinks will happen? >> thanks, mika. let's just listen to chairman xi's words right now as he seeks to essentially become a 21st century emperor in china with an unprecedented third term. he's telling his country to prepare for war. he's undergoing a massive massi military buildup. the chinese navy is now larger than the u.s. navy. their space force is launching more than we are. they have a massive nuclear modernization. and he's telling his military to be ready to stop the united states from intervening by 2027. the most important thing, we
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have to communicate why this matters so much to the american people. if china controls taiwan and invades taiwan and takes it successfully, it will essentially control the shipping and trade into japan, south korea, malaysia, indonesia, australia. it will essentially control, through the couple mist china party, 50% of gdp, and will be a major step to become the global super power. not a super power but the super power. we have to stop that from ever happening because it will make ukraine and the devastation that's happening there -- the effect of the global economy will be exponentially more devastating. >> so congressman, we believe that president biden will have his first face-to-face with xi
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jinping next month. >> he used to deliver a message that america is here to stop them from invading taiwan, that we're not messing around in the same way xi has said he's not messing around, and he plans to go to war. on the economic front, we need to make it clear that the economic consequences to china will be massive. that if they undertake this invasion, the entire world community will come together in the same way we did to stop russia and put a stop to all the chinese growth they've been seeing. i think part of the deterrence here has to be economic. but i also think we need to develop more of a clear deterrence plan. i think that's one of the things we were looking at that didn't seem as mature as it needs to be. the preparations to go to war in china has to be a deterrence to the war happening.
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as well as it is going for us and the ukrainians right now, deterrence failed. it failed completely. that's what we have to do with taiwan. >> congressman, a moment ago, you laid out the plans. this is a great worry for the region. talk to us about what you are hearing from allies there. japan, south korea, leaders in taiwan who are concerned not just about the china threat but suddenly a resurgent north korea that seem to be launching rockets by the day. >> that's absolutely right. there are growing levels of concerns across our allies. there's still some question, though, of whether they would be fully on board with the united states using their airspace and their territory as they would need to to defeat a chinese invasion of taiwan. much as we are using poland and
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germany, our allies in romania, it is clear with the nato alliance as we help ukraine defend its democracy. there is not the same structure and the same commitments in the pacific to help taiwan it's front line of democracy. and so i think those alliances are something we need to shore up. logistics will be exponentially harder across the pacific. that's double the size "the atlantic" ocean. that's another issue that representative bolton and i will take a hard look at as we provide oversight. but at the end of the day, again, zee is very clear he will take taiwan one way or the other and set this right in that we have to deter that from happening. every time zee believes he is ready militarily, he has to look at taiwan, look at the pacific, look at our alliances and the united states military and say this will cost us too much and hopefully continue to delay that
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action. >> congressman michael waltz and seth moulton, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. air ride sirens rang out in kyiv after another round of russian attacks against the ukrainian capital. for the second straight week, emergency crews are on the ground there responding to the damage reportedly caused by kamikaze drones. u.s. officials say russia's depleted military stockpile is being replenished by iran, which is preparing to send even more weapons to vladimir putin's army in the coming days. authorities say four people were killed in today's a, ta. as the world grapples with how to best handle russia once the war ends, a moment in television and cultural history may be giving us a template. here is the executive producer of russia's version of sesame street speaking to nbc news back in 1996 about bringing the
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iconic children's television show to moscow. >> what it can do in this country is to create a program that has never existed here before, which introduces children into the world of learning in a joyful way and makes them understand they can achieve anything they want to in the future. >> that producer you just saw in that clip, natasha lance rogoff joins us now. she is the author of the new book, "muppets in moscow." making sesame street in russia. thank you so much for being on the show. and tell us how it's going, first of all, and why you think it's important to bring this message to children of russia. >> thanks so much, mika. it's great to be here. and i feel as though this is an unprecedented period of time and it's heartbreak to go see what's
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happened and imagine where i and my team were 30 years ago. but it's so important the messages that sesame street in russia brought to the former soviet union. so russia, ukraine and across 11 time zones. the muppets were our ambassadors, bringing idealistic values, tolerance, understanding to millions of children. and the show ran for over 10 years, well into putin's era, until it was canceled in 2010. and then senator biden was so important in terms of spearheading congressional approval for sesame street in russia. it had bipartisan support at that time. >> and it was extremely difficult to execute this to get a tv network to take it. talk about the challenges, the
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sort of starts and stops in the process. >> the challenges in making it were extraordinary. not only did it include, in the first year, the assassination of our broadcast partners one after the other, but also the car bombing of our russian sponsor. and then, more poignantly, which is relevant today, is the cultural clashes we faced with our creative team that represented artists, over 400 artists from all across the former soviet union. and it was very difficult for our team to make the transition from 70 years of communism to a free market system. and we encountered so many misunderstandings that had to be
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overcome. at first the group didn't want to have the muppets. and they were very proud of their puppet tradition that dated back to the 16th century. they wanted classical music because they were proud of their music. and a lot of the themes that we faced that are outlined in the book are still relevant today and impacting our relationship with russia. so i feel it's very important to understand the deeper values and history of the country to know how we are going to get out of this. >> the new book is entitled "muppets in moscow, the unexpected crazy true story of making sesame street in russia". thank you so much for joining us and thank you for bringing us this week. and before we go this morning, it is a huge week in politics. jonathan lemire, what are you looking at? >> it certainly is, mika.
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midterms on the horizon, three weeks from tomorrow. we'll have president biden later this week head to pennsylvania, which we discussed, along with georgia, the two most important states on the map. striking listening to that and talking about how things have changed and contrasting the sesame street there in russia compared to today with terror in kyiv as these drones are detonating into buildings and sending ukrainians scrambling for cover. and the possibility of night being able to heat their homes this winter. >> we'll have much more tomorrow. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up msnbc's live coverage right now. and good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin with deadly attac

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